Joanna: All this week you've been talking about mentorship coaching and personal development. We've looked at the compass North, East, South, and West, so who's mentoring you? Who Are your peer mentors? And now today we're to talk about South, who are we mentoring and developing? Why? Because it's not just about you.

James: Alright Joanna so it's not just about us. I Mean I think we all have a little bit of a selfishness built in. I mean every one of us can be selfish and we're all busy too. We're all busy and we're all always focused on our own thing. This is a struggle for me. This is a struggle for you. This is a struggle for everyone we get so wrapped up in our own world and we constantly want others to help us. But I mean we are all Christians and we for the most part are all working in a Christian environment as far as churches and communications and media. So it's an important Christian principle is also to be investing. And so that means if you want someone to invest in you you need to equally if not more invest into someone. So what does that look like for you Jo?

Joanna: Well I think the surprising thing and it sounds cliche but you always learn so much even from being in that mentoring when you're learning how to teach someone else something you get better at it too. You can't help but be better at what you do. Be clear at your messaging when you're helping someone else. In my life it often looks it often looks like younger women, there are some guys in the creative world that I'm mentoring and developing it's a little bit of a different dynamic when it's crossed gender. But I do think you can do inter gender mentorship or what across gender meant it doesn't have to just be the same. But a lot of it is like younger women who are wanting to develop as communications people, photography, graphics, and video. All that kind of stuff and trying to know them meet with them encourage them. And I can't do too many at a time you know in every sort of every couple years who I'm developing in that way kind of shifts because as they kind of grow and come more into their own they're you know they're maybe not beyond me but there are relationship changes that it maybe becomes more like a peer relationship over time and then I'm beginning to develop some other people coming up behind them. It's a it's just like a really rich experience in my life. I'll give you a quick example of something that I did a number of years ago. There were lots of interesting women in leadership conversations that I was having with people above me like people who were kind of the North relationship to me and was like man I wish more people had access to the people that I'm learning from, those North relationships. And so what I ended up doing was I had a breakfast thing at my house on Saturday mornings. And I asked our young adults pastor who are some young women who you think would really benefit for something like this I have some leadership interest or promise or scale or gifting. And then we got a group of about 12 young women who I said it was 8 a.m. on Saturday and wanted to make it real early because I wanted them to not just sort of I wanted them to make a choice about whether they were coming or not. It had to be intentional like you're not just going to like well I had nothing better to do it's like no you've got to get out of bed early on a Saturday as a young adult and come to my house. But if you get to my house I've got coffee and pancakes or bacon or whatever. And then each week for the course of a few months every Saturday morning we had an older woman leader from all kinds of spheres of life come and talk with us and share with us it maybe maybe not every week some weeks we just did us as a group working on a working on an idea or a devotional content or leadership principle. But we had like a short time limit I said I'm going to mentor and develop you for these 12 weeks and it's going to be 8a.m. on Saturday mornings and get to my house. Get your butt here. You do it doesn't matter what you look like where your sweat pants and we're going to have coffee and good food and we're gonna have like growth together. And it was like a really rich time for them but also for me. I found so much joy in being able to see them come alive more and more in our mentoring in sort of that formalized mentoring way.

James: And for me I have a bunch of different people that I am mentoring. I mean it isn't even necessarily formal and and maybe they don't even we haven't actually said hey this person has never approached me and different people have never approached me saying hey can be my mentor. But they message me every couple of months say hey can we go for coffee and talk about video graphic stuff and I say yes. And those have become regular and we haven't had to like some sort of you know the conversation whether or not we haven't defined the relationship but it clearly is that. Yeah. And I mean also visualmediachurch it's a bit awkward because I have you know Mike sitting three feet to the left of me taking editing notes and starting to get a little red in the face because it isn't like being mentioned but he works here and I'm teaching him stuff every single day and he is now editing this podcast. He is making content for visualmediachurch all stuff that he had I think zero skill in three months ago, Four months ago. But he said I want this job. I want to come work here and I want to learn this stuff. I'm willing to learn. I said I'm willing to teach you and I'm investing in him. And my goal I hope it happens, is I would always hope that he would just be better than me one day like that would be great. That means I've done a good job as a mentor. If he then takes the ball and runs with it it becomes so much better than me. I mean that should be the goal of every mentor is not to kind of like make sure you're one step ahead of you the person you're mentoring but to try to get them caught up to you. That is your goal. It may not ever happen because there's sometimes there's age and stage of life but you're you're helping them avoid some of the pitfalls that you ran into.

Joanna: If I can kind of ended this thought. It's actually a Bible thought when I think about mentorship the thing that I'm trying to do Jesus in the book of John it's the last supper he's giving his last sort of teaching and instructions to people. I think it's John Chapter 15 sorry if someone knows that it's somewhere else. 14, 15, 16 somewhere in there. I think it's John Chapter 15 where Jesus says "everything from the father that I know I've given to you", and so now he says "so I no longer call you my disciple I call you my friend". Because a disciple a servant doesn't know the father's business but a friend gets to know. And so my vision when I'm mentoring and developing someone is that they move from the South point on the compass to the East West. I want them to become my friend over time. It doesn't happen right away but over time you poured yourself out. And as you say maybe they've become better than you. Over time you hope that that would that would be amazing.

James: All right Jo thanks for that. This has been a really good episode. Were can people find you on the Internet?

Joanna: You can find me at or at Joannalafleur on Instagram. Come say hi.

James: And you can find me at visualmediachurch on Instagram and you can find us on Facebook as well.